Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Father, we come to you grateful. We come to you with open hearts and open minds. We are grateful for each other. We are grateful that you call us yours, God. And we ask that every word spoken by us today would be led by your spirit and received by whoever is on the other end of this podcast listening to it. This is for your kingdom and for your glory and these and all things. We pray through your name. Amen.
[00:00:25] Speaker B: She said she not about to pray.
[00:00:27] Speaker A: That is crazy.
That's crazy work. But anyway, so we're open up these episodes with a crown check some Bible verse related to. Is this related to what we talked about?
[00:00:39] Speaker B: Sort of.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: All right, we gonna make it related. So anyway, so we're gonna do a crown check first. From Ephesians 1:5. I did this thing where I was going through, like, all of the different versions to find one that would fit, and I settled on the NASB version, and it says, he predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to himself according to the good pleasure of his will. That's a good foundation. Before we do anything else, we're reminding ourselves who we are and what he says about us. That's. That's all I wanted to say about it. It's a quick little crown check. When you hear Ephesians 1, what do you hear? The first thing.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: I don't know. My mind goes to, like, since our topic is motherhood, my mind goes to, like, how there's comfort in knowing that we have someone who adopted us as sons and daughters, because not everyone has that great relationship with their parents.
So there's comfort that he chose us.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: We are his. And before we even knew who we were or before we even knew him even, he claimed us as his and crowned us. That's my daughter.
[00:01:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: Oh, I love that. Okay, so y' all are probably sitting here like, who are these ladies talking? What in the world is going on? I'm Tara, the mom in this podcast duo, and this is my daughter Malia. And, Malia, y' all, has stretched me in the most beautiful ways possible. I don't mean that negatively. And has reminded me that God is not done with any of us ever. Like, as long as we still on this side of glory, he still has something beautiful and amazing in store for us. So that's. That's my introduction, which is really an introduction of you and an introduction to everybody else. So I don't know. Malia, you think you got it?
[00:02:30] Speaker B: I don't.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: I don't know how to follow.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Yes. As she Said, I am Malia. I'm the daughter.
I don't know.
I don't know what to say. She's like, it's. I'm going to say that.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: That's all. Okay, that's cool. So let's jump back into Ephesians 1:5. And the word that really stuck out for me is also what you said to, like, adoption. Like, what that means, to be adopted into something. But in the terms of this verse, adoption is most definitely a legal word.
And we get to be his sons and daughters as an inheritance through our faith, which is amazing.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah. I had a different word stick out to me. Oh, predestined. Predestined stuck out to me because, like, from the beginning, that was his plan to adopt us through Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
[00:03:23] Speaker A: I think I'm predestined, like, in terms of your life story or my life story. Every event, looking backwards, it makes sense. Nobody but God could have done the things. And. Because if I would have tried to do it, baby, it would have been messed up from beginning to end. But when you look back, oh, this had to happen for this to happen. And then this happened. And it is so beautifully and perfectly aligned for what we need in terms of emotional growth, spiritual growth.
I was about to say physical growth. That's gonna happen probably anyway. But, yeah, the predestined idea of it.
But at the same time, like, if I knew what he was gonna take me through, I would have had a holy temper tantrum and sat right down and be like, go ahead, count me out. I mean, I do it now still a little bit and be like, get somebody else to do it, please. Maybe possibly told me the plan, but
[00:04:15] Speaker B: I'm not going to like the stat.
I'm going to complain about them, even if they're good. Like, not going to like this. St.
[00:04:23] Speaker A: I love that he chooses us and he pursues us. And through Jesus, that relationship is sealed.
And that's not casual. It's not. He's not saying you're my kids as a compliment. Oh, I love you, kids. Like, nah. He really locked in and went, covenant. Like, I'm in it, proving it in it with y'. All. Let me show you how, child. Cause people. People be saying stuff. Predestined, adopted, chosen, pursued through Christ.
Okay, well, as he made us, another verse popped into mind as I was thinking through this episode about motherhood and children and adoption and everything that comes along with that. And, like, this verse is from 1st Samuel 127. This time I went, niv and if know this story in 1st Samuel, it is the story of Hannah, who is barren, and she got his sister wife who was just like, really a pain in the butt. Panina, like, just was coming for her, cuz Pana kept having all these kids by a shared husband. And Hannah was like, bro, all I want. And then her husband was like, girl, ain't I enough for you? But Panina was giving Hannah all this grief, and Hannah took her grief and her concern to God and it.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: It's late.
[00:05:43] Speaker A: It's fine. The other ones won't be this late. And it's 1st Samuel 1:27, NIV. And Hannah says, I prayed for this child and the Lord has granted me what I asked of him. And I picked that verse because it relates a little bit to my motherhood story.
Now this is our segment. Motherhood Honestly, growing up, I never really had the dream I wasn't the girl. Like, oh, you know what? I want to be a mother. And for various reasons. The main reason is that, like, I was mothering and nurturing folks as a child. It's like, well, I already done. I done did it. Like, I don't know what's. What's after this, but when I did find out that I was pregnant, I'm praying like, okay, since I did this and they're coming, I want daughters like that. I don't know what to do with the rest of them, but I know for me, like, I want daughters because I know I can mother. Well, granted, I was a young mother, but I was. I feel like this one I could knock out the park if you just give me. I not going to ask for too much, but, like, if you just give me daughters, I promise, like, it's going to be amazing. And we're going to be amazing. And I sit here now and I'm like, I literally prayed for y'. All and y' all get to be these whole adults that are having your own thoughts and living your own lives. And it's like, look at my answer prayers, like, legit. He did that, cuz probably predestined, but I still made the request. And I feel like he was like, I hear you, girl. I'mma give you these girls.
The idea of taking your plea, your request, taking that to God, and he will listen and he will answer. The answer may not be what you want, but he is listening and he will answer. So that. That's my motherhood honestly story. Not. Not probably what people would expect to hear on Mother's Day or in a mother daughter podcast. But that's what it is.
Yeah. What about you and your reflection of motherhood?
[00:07:37] Speaker B: Honestly, I've never been a.
[00:07:39] Speaker A: Not yet.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: I'm not quite there yet.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: I'm not ready to be a grandma, so it's fine. I'm good with it.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: We got a couple. There's some steps that need to happen to get there, but I do want to be a mother, and I feel like that kind of aligns with my motherhood, honestly. Yeah. Reflection. Yes. I really, really badly would love to be a mom one day in the future, but I wanted it so badly at one point that I made it an idol.
I went this past winter to a retreat, a conference through this college ministry, and they were talking about idolatry. And at first I was like, oh, I don't have to listen to this. This couldn't possibly be me. I.
I'm good on that.
I don't have one.
And then the speaker was like, what is the thing that if you never got, would crush you?
And it clicked. I was like, oh, oh. So I do have a.
So this is about me. Okay. I thought. I. I can see this one out. No, not quite.
Yeah. And I feel like oftentimes with idols, they're not necessarily bad things, but they become idols. Of course, when you put them above God.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: That definition of, like, the thing you.
What did you say? The thing you put above God? No, before, like, the definition. Like, when he was asking the question, when he realized, like, what is that
[00:09:13] Speaker B: thing that if you never God would crush you.
[00:09:17] Speaker A: Even, like, flipping it around and thinking about, if this thing were to go away, would it crush me?
[00:09:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: Oh, my God, my stomach hurt.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah. That really put it into perspective for me, because I was. I was like, these businesses.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: Idol. What idol? I don't have. I don't think we're good.
It's so funny. Like, me growing up not wanting to be a mom, and you basically growing up wanting to be a mom. What does motherhood look like to you? What about it is the thing that's like, oh, you know what? I want that.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: The concept of, like, creating something, and then all I get to do is pour my love out onto that thing. Like, that's just. The concept of that is so cool. I. I find myself saying this too often. I'm like, bro, I have so much love to give. And I'm like, I need more people.
[00:10:05] Speaker A: More people.
[00:10:06] Speaker B: I can give this story.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: I mean, I will say motherhood is top tier. You know, being at this stage, having been a mother my entire adult life to a Certain extent, it'd be like, have I made motherhood the idol? Because if I were not mother, like, who would I be?
And all of the things. We'll probably get into that at some point in some episode in the future about identity and what that looks like. Not probably. We definitely going to get into it. We're gonna get.
Yeah, like, we're definitely gonna get into it. But I was watching a video on YouTube this week, actually from a conference.
What conference? Not entirely sure at this moment, but it'll probably be linked in the show notes. So just go there if you want to know exactly which one it was. But anyway, it was. Jackie Hill Perry was speaking, and the line that stuck out was a gift to be stewarded, not an idol to be worshiped.
And when you look at it from the lens of motherhood, like, motherhood is absolutely a gift. And we hear all the time, like, you know, your children are yours. They're gifts from the Lord, and, like, all of the things. But marrying that definition of idol, like, if you don't have it, it'll crush you with the gift. Like, you approach a lot of things, not just motherhood, differently. Or at least I hope that, you know, moving forward with both of these awarenesses is motherhood is a gift to be stewarded, not an idol to be worshiped. You know, your career is a gift to be stewarded. Your relationship is a gift to be stewarded. Like, all of these things, like. And when we keep it in perspective that they are gifts, that's how we get the proper placement of God and then the thing God and then the gift. So thank you, Jackie, for that.
[00:11:45] Speaker B: What you just said remind me of something that I have here in my notes. And it's that, like I said, like, an idol becomes an idol when we put it above God. I was yapping a lot of my. My brain was just flowing or reminded me of how, like, from probably many different, like, pastors and sermons now. But, like, how I've heard people talk about how, like, that's been the devil's trick since the beginning of time with the word of God.
Because in Genesis 3, the devil says, did God say you couldn't eat from any tree? God never said she couldn't eat from any tree. It was just that one tree. He twisted the word of God and made Eve question what it is God said. And I feel like it's that same thing where we're twisting a gift from God, turning it into something that never meant to be worshiped.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: We're going in, we're going into it. So that is a beautiful tie in to. I don't know what else to say. But to every daughter that is listening, we know that everyone's story is unique. Malia says that I'm her best friend. Like, when her friends see her talking and be like, who is that that you're talking to? Be like, that's my mama. Your mama? You talk to your mom? Yeah. About all of that. And I love the conversations that the two of us have together, which is part of the reason, like, why this podcast even came to be, because we talk about a lot of stuff, y'. All. Surely this is not just for us. Surely other people would want to hear, especially as it concerns to, like, life in general. Like, taking what we hear on Sundays or on a sermon on YouTube or whatever and applying it to our everyday lives.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: And.
[00:13:20] Speaker A: And I know everyone's mother is not their best friend or not every mother has a close relationship with her daughter. And we want to say, like, this is for you as well, because these are conversations about life. And some of our listeners may have had mothers who have hurt them. Some of you are, you know, currently mothering and wondering if you're doing it right, or some of you want to be mothers, and it's like, oh, I would love to know, like, what that looks like. But whether you are a mother biologically or just, you know, relationally, y' all probably all daughters. Like, not every woman is a mother, but every woman is a daughter. And this episode is for you, whatever motherhood looks like for you, whatever that story is. Mother's Day is this day that is tied up in care and nurturing and complicated inheritance of what it means to be a mother or have a mother. And the thing about it is, y', all, the King, don't just adopt people with clean and beautiful stories. If so, none of us would.
None of us will be adopted, period. He adopts all of us as his children, and this is, like, our love letter to everyone that listens. Like, you are chosen by him. He pursues you.
He pursues you and chases you down. And all you have to do is to accept this inheritance is through your faith. And how has your understanding of being a daughter of the King changed over time?
[00:14:45] Speaker B: I feel like the biggest thing for me that's, like, changed has been the amount in which I worry about things or, like, the amount of anxiety I have about things. I, when I first started coming to Christ, was a very anxious person.
So anxious about everything.
And I think just knowing I have a heavenly father who is walking with me and guiding me and watching over my every step and protecting me. And even if I mess up, which of course I will, he's there with me and he's helping me walk through it. I think that's just made me a lot less anxious about a lot of different things.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: For me, it's changed. I would say it's like it's been reinvigorated, renewed in the past few years, of course. And early on, I felt like the crown of being a daughter was heavy. Being his daughter was heavy. You have to sound a certain way, you have to look a certain way. And then as I grew in spiritual maturity, I realized those were human attributes that I was placing on him. And he ain't asked for none of that. He ain't asked for perfection because we could never get there. But the crown was heavy in the beginning because I thought there were all of these rules and checkboxes and things that it had to be. And then, like. Like I said, like, as I grew closer and got in the word myself, it's like, oh, he's not asking for perfection. He wants me to accept the crown as it is and be all in. Be, be for him. I'm reminded of the group that we just led from fan to follower, and he's asking us to be more than just like, a fan, like, as a daughter, like, be invested in his kingdom and in his work. So that's it. This has been great. First episode. This is gonna be a blast. This is what y' all get when we're recording at 10pm yes. This is at the end of the day.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: It's bedtime, girl.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: Yes.
I was sleepy at the baseball game last night. It was like, nine. I was like, you. No, it's bedtime.
We're gonna wrap this up. All right. This has been great. All right, see y' all in the next pod. Bye.
